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Author's Note: OOOO scary evil ranting-ness and religious/ethical opinion follows!!! South Dakota pisses me off. If you're so damned opposed to abortion, then choose not to have one yourself! after all, a business without support does not succeed. If you are incapable of having an abortion (i.e., male) then mind your own FUCKING business. Women don't tell men they should have their penises cut off so that they don't rape someone, or to preserve their fragile virginity--men shouldn't tell women when or where or how often to have babies. As far as I can tell, lots of people are against abortion because it destroys a life, a young life, an unborn child. *(random musing points: doesn't that mean that miscarriage is child neglect? If every sperm cell and every egg cell is a child that should not be destroyed, then when men masturbate and when women menstruate, are they not abandoning their (future) children?)* Anyway, it is a religious or personal perspective that determines when a sperm cell and an egg cell in combination become a child. Some people believe that it happens as soon as a man ejaculates into a woman; some people believe it is not a child or consciously a child until (say) third trimester, or birth, or two weeks after conception, or whatever... it doesn't matter what time frame you believe it takes to make a child--the point is that that time frame is a BELIEF. not science, not fact, not law. And as a general rule peoples' beliefs are acceptable so long as they do not messily interfere with other peoples' beliefs. So saying abortion is morally wrong is okay, and not having an abortion yourself because you know it is morally wrong is okay, but telling other people they can't have abortions? overstepping your boundaries! imposing your will on other people! why should you be allowed to suppress the beliefs of others? Other problems with outlawing abortion: men and women who don't know 'me' (or whoever wants an abortion) are deciding what 'I' can do with my body. who the FUCK came up with that? of all the things that 'I' in my true right own in the world, my body is the one definite factor. My body is mine, my body is myself, my body is me--I can do with it what I will, and if you impose upon me you are imposing upon the very essence of my soul, the very heart of my being--you are preventing me from being me. And you don't even know me! Why should politicians and religious who don't follow *my* beliefs have control over my body? Why should they decide what I do? Next thing you know they will be telling me that I can't eat sitting down, or I have to bow my head to all men of the world, or I should wear this shirt or those pants but only in this certain shade of gray... forbid me eating where I like. Mcdonalds should be outlawed for the health of the whole world; people are obviously too stupid to not choose to go there and get fat by themselves. boils down to: it's none of your FUCKING business what I do with my body. Get your hands off me. You can't rape me, you can't even touch me without my consent! why should you be allowed to make me have children? Why should you tell me what to do with my vagina? Why should your words bind me like chains that I thought, for once in all the history of mankind, I might have escaped? You are not my owner, you are not my master, I am not your slave and I do not submit to your will. If you have advice, perhaps I'll listen, but I don't have to follow it. I make my choices--me! not you, not the politicians, not my parents, not even my lover, not my doctor--I make the ultimate choice. It is mine, it is my right and my freedom--that's why I live here in this country, that's what I was guaranteed, that's why my parents brought me forth. To choose, to make choices, to follow paths through life. and maybe I'll listen and maybe I'll obey and maybe I'll follow the advice of my doctor and lover and parents. But I make that choice. |
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8 Comments:
I'm assuming that since you posted this on the Internet and are allowing comments on the post, replies are expected.
People who are pro-life don't think that unfertilized eggs/whatever are people - menstruating and miscarriages are obviously not in the realm of somebody's control.
You say that it is a belief and not science nor law (the law does have its own opinions, you'll find) when life begins - if this is true, you seem pretty adamant that you are right.
If a person did believe that life began at conception (which I'm assuming is within the realm of possibility, as you yourself state that it is complete opinion), then can't you understand why someone would be against abortion no matter whose body it is? The rest of this paragraph is a hypothetical with the afore-mentioned belief being held by someone: If someone believes that life begins at conception, then aborting that fetus is aborting a life, which is a nice way of phrasing "murder." Is it overstepping boundaries to tell somebody else that murder is immoral? I'm going to go with no. It's your body, but just because another body happens to be inside of yours doesn't make it okay to say "OMG it's my body so it's okay if I abort the living child inside of me!"
Obviously, you disagree, but you don't even seem to understand where the other side is coming from. So...hopefully that helped enlighten you?
Nobody's making you have children. Nobody's making you have sex (obviously, in this vein of logic, rape would be an entirely different case).
Yeah, I agree with you, Kristen.
Then again, if contraceptives (including the morning after pill, which is NOT an abortifacient) were more readily available and people were well-informed as to their proper usage, maybe fewer women who didn't want to be pregnant would have to be. Maybe if men took responsibility for providing/encouraging/insisting upon contraceptives on their end, and took responsibility for stopping rape and sexual/emotional abuse, women would not be emotionally or physically pressured to have unprotected sex. I think aboriton should be legal but that pro-lifers and pro-choicers should join forces and reframe the debate, pushing for greater sex awareness of ALL options (including abstinence, contraception, or alternative, non-pregnancy-inducing forms of sex). Then abortion would be minimized and everyone could feel safe and secure in their individual choices.
Yeah, an obviously biased rant that did forget a couple of the options.
I can understand where pro-lifers come from, and their perspective... I can understand why they personally would not choose abortion, and why they would be unhappy with people who did. But I am not sure if I feel like it would be right for them to impose their beliefs on others
I am strongly in favor of things that prevent abortion (and to be clear I don't think I myself would ever have an abortion), but the option of choice I think is the key factor. People choose to smoke knowing it can lead to their death (isn't that sort've like choosing to end a life? *unsure*). I think the choice should be allowed to be made. Ideally this would imply that all informed women would find the choice an end of life and therefore choose not to have an abortion, perhaps... but the choice has to be made
Another reason I think pro-lifers and pro-choicers should BOTH agree that abortion should be legal is because the people who are desperate (i.e., raped) are going to have them anyway. It'd be better to have the system regulated and required to be healthy and clean by law. It'd be better, to oppose abortion, to *educate* people on its evils, on how it is wrong, on what it really does, so that they choose not to have one.
(Please note that I'm not like, literally upset, just debating the issue, :O)
When somebody chooses to smoke, they are ending their own life. But if you believe that life begins at conception and somebody else decides to have an abortion, then that's why it's considered murder - and just as I feel that it's not right to kill people under the death penalty, even though it's somebody else's body, I don't feel it's right for somebody to have an abortion. It's your body, but it's somebody else's life.
I do agree that better sex education is necessary, although I did quite enjoy the one we received in public school: This is every contraceptive ever and how to use it....But if you don't have sex at all, there's your 100% guarantee against STDs and babies.
Ah yes, public high school sex education was interesting... they showed us how to put a condom on a big plastic penis o.o That's it. Though that's preferrable to what I know many schools teach, which is abstinence only, I'd've liked to know something about the drugs and pills, etc.
I see the differentiation between smokers and fetuses, now. Good point! (by the way if I didn't want a debate I wouldn't've made it a public post). But what about the morning after pill? It only really works for 1-2 days after, and if the egg/cell combo is past a certain point I don't think it does anything at all. Is there, by the way, a scientific definition of when 'life' begins? officially? probably not.
That kind of sucks about your school - our showed us everything. Ever. I didn't really pay attention, though. Life is easier when you know you're not going to be having sex until you're married, lol.
You'd know more about there being a scientific definition than I would, ;) But as far as I know from reading the news, there is no scientific definition.
As for the morning-after pill....I am not a fan. To me, it seems like it's an "Now I can have sex without worry about the consequences because I can just take a little pill that makes everything go away!" thing. To me, life begins when egg meets sperm. So it doesn't matter if you terminate the life 8 months and 3 weeks afterwards, or the morning after.
Okay, the medical definition of conception is when the egg/sperm bit implants itself in the uterine wall. From http://medical-dictionary.com: Conception: The onset of pregnancy, marked by implantation of the blastocyst, the formation of a viable zygote.
Origin: L. Conceptio
(18 Nov 1997)
The morning after pill basically just blocks that from happening: before conception, the zygote isn't viable. My gyno told me that it's actually one of the most effective and safe forms of birth control out there. It isn't a replacement for other forms (condoms protect against STDs, too, recall), but it is really necessary to have it around in cases of rape or condom breakage. It is NOT RU###, which is the abortion pill they have in France.
Then again, you still have the CHOICE whether or not to USE the morning after pill. And like Kristen says, I'd much prefer this to having women seek back-alley abortions.
And there's still absolutely no excuse for pharmacists to refuse to dispense the Pill. That's pretty frickin ridiculous and IS unequivocally an example of removing a woman's right to choose, without there being another contestable life involved.
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